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KP2009MAY09 SUBS #17: MINISUBS
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KP2009MAY09 SUBS #17: MINISUBS

Architectural CAD programs such as Autocad are very
well suited for planning SUBS structures. I used
a [$99] two-dimensional one for the SUBS articles.
That's vastly better than trying to hand-draw
illustrations of SUBS parts. Whole buildings
are impossible for most people to hand draw.

However, CAD programs are extremely expensive.
The industry leader, Autocad, is over $2,000,
just for the SOFTWARE, for one workstation!
That's more $ than the computer it runs on!

===============================
That is more than modest SUBS
structures would cost to BUILD!
===============================

JUST FOR ONE PIECE OF SOFTWARE!

Which you can't even find
in the finished building!

Never mind the guy who
knows how to run it!

It's cost-effective for big architectural firms
which charge million$ of dollar$ just to DE$IGN
big buildings for big business or big government.

It's *completely* insane for the private citizen who
wants to design a modest building to live in himself!

He needs a small, cheap, readily available, single-
purpose ANALOG COMPUTER to design his own structures.

A reliable slide rule rather than
a digital-disaster money $ink-hOle!

======================
THAT'S CALLED A MODEL!
======================

When I was a kid one of my favorite toys was a
set of small red plastic bricks you could build
doll-sized buildings with. They were the size
of a domino, and mimicked the "eight" with two
sets of four prongs that nested four directions.

I learned SO MUCH from building with those blocks!
I don't know if I ever knew the brand name, but I
never forgot what I learned from playing with them!
I can still see some of those buildings in my head!

================================================
FLUSH THE HEXPENSIVE COMPUTER MODELING FOR SUBS!
================================================

We need a cheap SUBS model to work out designs
from our very limited set of component parts.

It's MUCH better to have a real solid
three-dimensional model to look at than
the fanciest two-dimensional depiction.

AND IT'S HUGELY CHEAPER!

==============================
THE OBVIOUS SIZE RATIO IS 1:12
ONE MODEL INCH = ONE REAL FOOT
==============================

So a typical panel would be
four inches by eight inches,
and a half inch thick.

Now IF SUBS were patented,
the logical thing to do
would be to license Leggo
or Mattel or some big toy
company to manufacture and
sell MINISUBS, but it's not.

Rather than have ONE source,
which legally monopolizes the
industry with 17-year patent
protection, we can have many
sources, who are completely
independent, and free to do
whatever the fuck they want.

Instead of one company collecting
ALL of the patent royalties, we'll
have MANY companies independently
making and selling MINISUBS, and
making all the profit themselves.

MINISUBS IS A FABULOUS TOY FOR KIDS.

As much as I learned from my red blocks,
I couldn't directly translate that to
real buildings, because real buildings
are not made out of red plastic blocks,
or I would have been a child prodigy!

MINISUBS IS A TRUE SCALE
MODEL OF A REAL BUILDING!

IT WORKS JUST LIKE
THE THING IT MODELS!

Ain't that convenient!

So anything thing you can build with MINISUBS,
you can build with SUBS, and move right in to!

Ain't that convenient!

Everything you learn
playing as a kid is
just the same when
you are all grown up!

Ain't that convenient!

Junior can design a
garage add-on just
as well as dad can!
And make a panel list
to buy! And build it!
?Before dad gets home?

Ain't that convenient!

You can be a
REAL ARCHITECT,
at age 6 or 8,
with no computer!

Ain't that convenient!

OK. So far, I've got the
product and the design, and
I know the scale factor.

Now I need something
to make it out of.

I looked in my trash.

I have tin cans, rotten food,
and a whole lot of plastic.

Some is styrofoam, which is useless, but
I have lots of *free* plastic shopping bags,
from many different stores, in a wide variety
of colors. I have gallon milk jugs. I have
plastic garbage bags, both white and black.
I have clear plastic zip-lock bags. I have
clear plastic produce bags. I have hard
plastic containers from frozen juices.

Either it was given to me free, or I bought
a product, and that was the container!

SO IT'S ALL FREE!

IN FACT, I PAY
TO GET RID OF IT!

IT'S *GARBAGE*!

ONE OF THE VERY
FEW INDUSTRIAL
COMMODITIES
YOU CAN GET
DELIVERED
FOR FREE!

AND THEY CHARGE A
KING'S RANSOM TO
STEAL FROM YOU!

THAT'S what you
*really* want to
make things from!

The most delightful thing about
most of this plastic is that it
is THERMO-PLASTIC! When you
heat it up, it melts. When you
cool it down, it goes back to
being whatever it was before
you heated it up. You can do
this as many times as you like.

It doesn't ever "cook"
and become something else.

It's like ice, but it melts
at a much higher temperature!

That means that you can
TAKE YOUR HOUSEHOLD TRASH
AND MAKE SOMETHING USEFUL
OUT OF IT. SAVE GARBAGE!

SAVE GARBAGE COLLECTION COSTS!

MAKE SOMETHING USEFUL
FOR NO MATERIALS COST!

MAKE MINISUBS
FROM TRASH!

Ain't that convenient!

Now we've got a design,
a material, and a FREE
source for the material!

WAY COOL!

We're off to
a great start!

Next we need something
to melt our plastic in.

It's mostly complex carbon
cross-linked chains, and we
need to heat it hot enough
to make it melt, but not burn.

HOW ABOUT A WAFFLE IRON?

SUBS PANELS ARE BUILT
VERY SIMILAR TO WAFFLES.

Waffle irons heat soup made from
water and complex carbon cross-
linked chains intil they react
and produce a phase change.

BUT DON'T BURN THE CARBON!

That ought to be
somewhere in the
right ball park
for temperature!

And they make
groovy little
panels, very
much like SUBS!

Waffle irons cost
$5 to $8 at Goodwill,
so I got a whole mess
of them for about $30!

I now have an assortment of
waffle sizes and patterns.

One of my favorites is
about 4"x8", just the size
I want my MINISUBS panels!

Ain't that convenient!

So I fired up my waffle iron and
started melting my plastic trash!

===================
IT WORKS FANTASTIC!
===================

White milk jugs make a
very dense, hard white panel.

Thin shopping bags with handles
in different colors make wonderful
camouflage patterns. Black garbage
bags make slick looking black panels
that are very slightly flexible.

These are TOUGH panels. You can't
nearly break them by hand. I can
barely flex the black one enough to
see. I can't flex milk jugs at all.
They're harder than hell to smash
with a 28 ounce framing hammer!

And these are just plastic WAFFLES!

Judging crudely, the strength
is pretty comparable to wood!

Of course they are completely
color-fast and water-proof.

You can leave your plastic SUBS doll
house out in the dirt and weather.

If necessary, you can clean
it with soap and water ...
thru a pressure washer!

Just spray silicone lubricant
mold release on the iron and all
parts that liquid plastic touchs,
or your mold will glue shut when
it cools. The extra plastic that
oozes out you can cut or break off.

SUBS-design panels would be
much stronger than waffles,
which are designed to cook
fast and catch butter and
syrup, not to be structural.

Waffle irons seem to be
the perfect temperature
for bags and milk jugs,
but harder plastic bottles
don't melt well in them.

So now we have
a temperature
range too!

A waffle iron combines
both the heating element
and the molding pattern.

A common ordinary
electric skillet
will heat higher
and lower than a
waffle iron, and
is big enough for
a two-panel mold
that's about 8"x8".

There's your heat souce!

Under $10 at Goodwill!

It'll melt those harder plastics!
Or dial down for the softest ones!

This allows you to separate
the heating element from
the mold itself. Heat with
a cheap common *used* item!

And the heat disinfects any organic
crud left on the plastic, so you
don't have to worry about germs.

Now all kids can
MAKE THEIR OWN TOYS
out of garbage they
collect from neighbors!

As easy as waffles!

Ain't that convenient!

And learn how
real buildings
are built in
the process!

Ain't that convenient!

There is one area where
the 1:12 scale runs into
a problem. When you scale
a 1/2" bolt down to 1/24",
you're dealing with very
fine threads and tiny nuts
and washers. It doesn't work.

But of course, the other option,
of nailing the panels together,
scales down perfectly! Instead
of a 16 penny nail or duplex nail,
you fire a wire brad from your
finish nail gun to nail panels
together! Instead of a 3 foot
bar to tear them apart, you
use a screwdriver! You use a
long or short nail where you
would use long or short bolts
in a full-scale SUBS building.

Mom and Dad can borrow
the kids toys to design
grandma's new room, and
get a materials list too!
Stack the parts and count!

Ain't that convenient!

The mold for a standard panel
is very simple! The lower part
is an open box 4"x8"x1/2" deep.
The upper part, hinged to it,
has two boxes, about half as
big. The space between them
is filled with melted plastic
to form the sheet-on-frame
of a SUBS panel. One mold
would make two panels in
your typical frying pan.

Ain't that convenient!

The molds could be made
of aluminum, or of
whatever waffle irons
are made of. Or maybe
from some cheap ceramic
that starts plastic and
cures to a hard, durable
thermo-transmitter suitable
for a high-temmperature mold.

The molds are what
we do NOT have yet.

How would YOU do it?

Whoever makes the molds
will be at the top of
the SUBS food chain.

Until someone starts selling
machines that make the molds!

And someone starts making molds for
4'x8'x6" panels MADE FROM MILK JUGS!

They're hard and dense and tough as nails.

I guess they're STRONGER than wood.
If not, they're pretty damn close!

And they're waterproof,
and don't ever need paint!

And if you ever get tired
of them, you can melt them
down, and make something else!

That's my idea of a
really great product!

Use it indefinitely,
with no maintenance
or other costs, and
then melt it down,
and make something
completely new!

=====================
ALL FROM CRAP YOU GOT
FOR FREE AT THE DUMP!
=====================

THAT'S WHAT KILLS ME!

I'm *really* proud
of this one! I JUST
CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!

USED MILK JUGS
WOULD MAKE GREAT
FULL-SIZED PANELS!

Who shall be so bold
as to make a mold?

PHOTOS TO COME
but I have to
take them yet.


O
--- )
\


Bill Dur

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phil scott
2009-05-10 22:41:22 UTC
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Post by KONCHOK.PENDAY
KP2009MAY09 SUBS #17: MINISUBS
Architectural CAD programs such as Autocad are very
well suited for planning SUBS structures.  I used
a [$99] two-dimensional one for the SUBS articles.
That's vastly better than trying to hand-draw
illustrations of SUBS parts.  Whole buildings
are impossible for most people to hand draw.
However, CAD programs are extremely expensive.
The industry leader, Autocad, is over $2,000,
just for the SOFTWARE, for one workstation!
That's more $ than the computer it runs on!
===============================
That is more than modest SUBS
structures would cost to BUILD!
===============================
JUST FOR ONE PIECE OF SOFTWARE!
Which you can't even find
in the finished building!
Never mind the guy who
knows how to run it!
It's cost-effective for big architectural firms
which charge million$ of dollar$ just to DE$IGN
big buildings for big business or big government.
It's *completely* insane for the private citizen who
wants to design a modest building to live in himself!
He needs a small, cheap, readily available, single-
purpose ANALOG COMPUTER to design his own structures.
A reliable slide rule rather than
a digital-disaster money $ink-hOle!
======================
THAT'S CALLED A MODEL!
======================
When I was a kid one of my favorite toys was a
set of small red plastic bricks you could build
doll-sized buildings with.  They were the size
of a domino, and mimicked the "eight" with two
sets of four prongs that nested four directions.
I learned SO MUCH from building with those blocks!
I don't know if I ever knew the brand name, but I
never forgot what I learned from playing with them!
I can still see some of those buildings in my head!
================================================
FLUSH THE HEXPENSIVE COMPUTER MODELING FOR SUBS!
================================================
We need a cheap SUBS model to work out designs
from our very limited set of component parts.
It's MUCH better to have a real solid
three-dimensional model to look at than
the fanciest two-dimensional depiction.
AND IT'S HUGELY CHEAPER!
==============================
THE OBVIOUS SIZE RATIO IS 1:12
ONE MODEL INCH = ONE REAL FOOT
==============================
So a typical panel would be
four inches by eight inches,
and a half inch thick.
Now IF SUBS were patented,
the logical thing to do
would be to license Leggo
or Mattel or some big toy
company to manufacture and
sell MINISUBS, but it's not.
Rather than have ONE source,
which legally monopolizes the
industry with 17-year patent
protection, we can have many
sources, who are completely
independent, and free to do
whatever the fuck they want.
Instead of one company collecting
ALL of the patent royalties, we'll
have MANY companies independently
making and selling MINISUBS, and
making all the profit themselves.
MINISUBS IS A FABULOUS TOY FOR KIDS.
As much as I learned from my red blocks,
I couldn't directly translate that to
real buildings, because real buildings
are not made out of red plastic blocks,
or I would have been a child prodigy!
MINISUBS IS A TRUE SCALE
MODEL OF A REAL BUILDING!
IT WORKS JUST LIKE
THE THING IT MODELS!
Ain't that convenient!
So anything thing you can build with MINISUBS,
you can build with SUBS, and move right in to!
Ain't that convenient!
Everything you learn
playing as a kid is
just the same when
you are all grown up!
Ain't that convenient!
Junior can design a
garage add-on just
as well as dad can!
And make a panel list
to buy!  And build it!
?Before dad gets home?
Ain't that convenient!
You can be a
REAL ARCHITECT,
at age 6 or 8,
with no computer!
Ain't that convenient!
OK.  So far, I've got the
product and the design, and
I know the scale factor.
Now I need something
to make it out of.
I looked in my trash.
I have tin cans, rotten food,
and a whole lot of plastic.
Some is styrofoam, which is useless, but
I have lots of *free* plastic shopping bags,
from many different stores, in a wide variety
of colors.  I have gallon milk jugs. I have
plastic garbage bags, both white and black.
I have clear plastic zip-lock bags.  I have
clear plastic produce bags.  I have hard
plastic containers from frozen juices.
Either it was given to me free, or I bought
a product, and that was the container!
SO IT'S ALL FREE!
IN FACT, I PAY
TO GET RID OF IT!
IT'S *GARBAGE*!
ONE OF THE VERY
FEW INDUSTRIAL
COMMODITIES
YOU CAN GET
DELIVERED
FOR FREE!
AND THEY CHARGE A
KING'S RANSOM TO
STEAL FROM YOU!
THAT'S what you
*really* want to
make things from!
The most delightful thing about
most of this plastic is that it
is THERMO-PLASTIC!  When you
heat it up, it melts.  When you
cool it down, it goes back to
being whatever it was before
you heated it up.  You can do
this as many times as you like.
It doesn't ever "cook"
and become something else.
It's like ice, but it melts
at a much higher temperature!
That means that you can
TAKE YOUR HOUSEHOLD TRASH
AND MAKE SOMETHING USEFUL
OUT OF IT.  SAVE GARBAGE!
SAVE GARBAGE COLLECTION COSTS!
MAKE SOMETHING USEFUL
FOR NO MATERIALS COST!
MAKE MINISUBS
FROM TRASH!
Ain't that convenient!
Now we've got a design,
a material, and a FREE
source for the material!
WAY COOL!
We're off to
a great start!
Next we need something
to melt our plastic in.
It's mostly complex carbon
cross-linked chains, and we
need to heat it hot enough
to make it melt, but not burn.
HOW ABOUT A WAFFLE IRON?
SUBS PANELS ARE BUILT
VERY SIMILAR TO WAFFLES.
Waffle irons heat soup made from
water and complex carbon cross-
linked chains intil they react
and produce a phase change.
BUT DON'T BURN THE CARBON!
That ought to be
somewhere in the
right ball park
for temperature!
And they make
groovy little
panels, very
much like SUBS!
Waffle irons cost
$5 to $8 at Goodwill,
so I got a whole mess
of them for about $30!
I now have an assortment of
waffle sizes and patterns.
One of my favorites is
about 4"x8", just the size
I want my MINISUBS panels!
Ain't that convenient!
So I fired up my waffle iron and
started melting my plastic trash!
===================
IT WORKS FANTASTIC!
===================
White milk jugs make a
very dense, hard white panel.
Thin shopping bags with handles
in different colors make wonderful
camouflage patterns.  Black garbage
bags make slick looking black panels
that are very slightly flexible.
These are TOUGH panels.  You can't
nearly break them by hand.  I can
barely flex the black one enough to
see.  I can't flex milk jugs at all.
They're harder than hell to smash
with a 28 ounce framing hammer!
And these are just plastic WAFFLES!
Judging crudely, the strength
is pretty comparable to wood!
Of course they are completely
color-fast and water-proof.
You can leave your plastic SUBS doll
house out in the dirt and weather.
If necessary, you can clean
it with soap and water ...
thru a pressure washer!
Just spray silicone lubricant
mold release on the iron and all
parts that liquid plastic touchs,
or your mold will glue shut when
it cools.  The extra plastic that
oozes out you can cut or break off.
SUBS-design panels would be
much stronger than waffles,
which are designed to cook
fast and catch butter and
syrup, not to be structural.
Waffle irons seem to be
the perfect temperature
for bags and milk jugs,
but harder plastic bottles
don't melt well in them.
So now we have
a temperature
range too!
A waffle iron combines
both the heating element
and the molding pattern.
A common ordinary
electric skillet
will heat higher
and lower than a
waffle iron, and
is big enough for
a two-panel mold
that's about 8"x8".
There's your heat souce!
Under $10 at Goodwill!
It'll melt those harder plastics!
Or dial down for the softest ones!
This allows you to separate
the heating element from
the mold itself.  Heat with
a cheap common *used* item!
And the heat disinfects any organic
crud left on the plastic, so you
don't have to worry about germs.
Now all kids can
MAKE THEIR OWN TOYS
out of garbage they
collect from neighbors!
As easy as waffles!
Ain't that convenient!
And learn how
real buildings
are built in
the process!
Ain't that convenient!
There is one area where
the 1:12 scale runs into
a problem.  When you scale
a 1/2" bolt down to 1/24",
you're dealing with very
fine threads and tiny nuts
and washers.  It doesn't work.
But of course, the other option,
of nailing the panels together,
scales down perfectly!  Instead
of a 16 penny nail or duplex nail,
you fire a wire brad from your
finish nail gun to nail panels
together!  Instead of a 3 foot
bar to tear them apart, you
use a screwdriver!  You use a
long or short nail where you
would use long or short bolts
in a full-scale SUBS building.
Mom and Dad can borrow
the kids toys to design
grandma's new room, and
get a materials list too!
Stack the parts and count!
Ain't that convenient!
The mold for a standard panel
is very simple!  The lower part
is an open box 4"x8"x1/2" deep.
The upper part, hinged to it,
has two boxes, about half as
big.  The space between them
is filled with melted plastic
to form the sheet-on-frame
of a SUBS panel.  One mold
would make two panels in
your typical frying pan.
Ain't that convenient!
The molds could be made
of aluminum, or of
whatever waffle irons
are made of.  Or maybe
from some cheap ceramic
that starts plastic and
cures to a hard, durable
thermo-transmitter suitable
for a high-temmperature mold.
The molds are what
we do NOT have yet.
How would YOU do it?
Whoever makes the molds
will be at the top of
the SUBS food chain.
Until someone starts selling
machines that make the molds!
And someone starts making molds for
4'x8'x6" panels MADE FROM MILK JUGS!
They're hard and dense and tough as nails.
I guess they're STRONGER than wood.
If not, they're pretty damn close!
And they're waterproof,
and don't ever need paint!
And if you ever get tired
of them, you can melt them
down, and make something else!
That's my idea of a
really great product!
Use it indefinitely,
with no maintenance
or other costs, and
then melt it down,
and make something
completely new!
=====================
ALL FROM CRAP YOU GOT
FOR FREE AT THE DUMP!
=====================
THAT'S WHAT KILLS ME!
I'm *really* proud
of this one! I JUST
CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!
USED MILK JUGS
WOULD MAKE GREAT
FULL-SIZED PANELS!
Who shall be so bold
as to make a mold?
PHOTOS TO COME
but I have to
take them yet.
                O
                    ---  )
                 \
Bill Dur
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SUBS Home Page:http://net-prophet.net/subs
cad can get expensive.. I spend 1500 dollars a year just for technical
assistance on what I use.. classes for any of them run $1,000 a day
or so.

for subs, your model idea with the 4x8 waffle maker sounds real good,
you could build a simple wood box jig to use in trimming them all so
they are
univorm.. it would be a killer kids toy,

for larger application, such as real subs panels there are already
many plastics recyclers on the market that you can contract wiith
to make the panels... building yer own on that scale would not be cost
effective imo. there are a few other such approaches on the market,
bricks made out of dirt with a polymer binder for instance ..very nice
but not cheaper than cinder block.

with your subs concept there are aesthetics issues. but as a kids
toy it could very well trigger some young imaginations to greater
things,
such as shredding used plastic to fine beads then blasting it against
a heated surface to form any sort of shape imaginable.


***
the ultra cheap or free $5 or so, 3D cad programs would work very well
for what you would be doing.. its ultra easy.. you draw a rectangle
with the rectangle tool... draw a line and then just drag it to form
the rectangle....easy... then 'extrude' it...and you have the solid.
thats a lot easier than a traditional 2D cad program.

search google for 'cheap 3D cad' many even have 3D capabilities...
they are severely limited for most applications..but not for what you
need it for. Ive used that sort of thing to model one aspect of a
larger presentation... I print out the cad drawing, then paste in
text etc.. run it though a copy machine it looks like a high end cad
output.

my current fiasco by contrast has taken me 6 months to come even
slightly up to speed on, not good enough to even complete many of the
tutorials.


but is the future for sure... Im already getting good reviews,
basicaly I can network with shops, contractors, scientists and
engineers world wide ..cutting various deals to provide the precision
design, sales and spec documents as good as photo's with cut-a-ways
and animations etc.
.. then sub contract the construction to a source close to the
client.... most cad people at that level do not have the engineering
or marketing skill to produce such a package, no scientists do, and
very few engineers..and if they can its only in one discipline.

I draw these up convert to PDF files and email them uneditable
copyrighted drawings they can print out on a regular office copier...
I leave out crucial engineering and construction data until I have a
contract. and im reasonable.. a lot less than their in house
engineering dept. I promote that way also..no driving, no dog and
pony show.. I do it from my laptop,hung from a 1/8" nylon cord over
my bunk in the houseboat.

..the killer cad drawings speak for themselves... that would also sell
your subs for kids approach.









Phil scott
KONCHOK.PENDAY
2009-05-11 23:29:14 UTC
Permalink
Re: KP2009MAY09 SUBS #17: MINISUBS


Joshua Wrote:

Martin, that was the most I've laughed in days.

I woke up thinking abut SUBS today. I need to build my daughter's
mother a house this summer, in addition to the rest of my projects.
My inclination is towards long-standing buildings with lots of
planning, so SUBS is a good compromise, since I can just take it down
and build something else with it later. The vast majority of the wood
available near the land is completely green (even to buy it from a
local mill). I can foresee problems making SUBS panels out of green
wood.

The upside of being here in the sh(c)ity is all the interesting people
that for some reason accumulate here. Yesterday I went across the
street from where I'm sitting to the park as I do most every day to
have a smoke and I met an interesting Frenchman named Denise. He
lives at some kind of church in Berkeley, and a decade ago was a
professional architect. My years perked up at that, I told him I was
an amateur architect. ;)
He had done standard modern city buildings, and had never heard of earth
ships.

I got his email address, thinking I'd drop him a note asking his
opinion on SUBS. We talked about the world and geting older, and
employment, and creative work. Will this really be the summer of
change?
Post by KONCHOK.PENDAY
However, CAD programs are extremely expensive.
The industry leader, Autocad, is over $2,000,
just for the SOFTWARE, for one workstation!
That's more $ than the computer it runs on!
There are quite a few free and open source CAD programs readily available.

As per the subs model... actually, it's incredible. Did it stink
melting the plastic?

It reminds me of a project of a brother on the land, not dissimilar,
who wants to use the card board waste stream to make a product like
formed loose cardboard and nutrient pots where you put a seed or start
right in, and it's soilless and can be just put in the ground.

Ah, the waste stream is immense. A part of me wants to shun it, and a
part of me knows we must use it because it's here. It's a problem on
the land, so much of it arrives all the time. We sheet mulch with the
cardboard.

Even as toys, the model panels might be quite marketable. A heat
source and mold for full size panels might be a challenge to make, but
likely not that bad. I wonder what regulations there are about
melting plastic, and what the the system would say about the strength
of the plastic panels, let alone SUBS itself.

I couldn't resist on Friday tearing the program I'm writing to shreds
to make it better. I'm still putting it back together. I had to do
it, it's a much better program now. I still want to finish it in a
week and be home. There's a LOT to be done up there right now, I
should be there doing it.

I hope you come soon. :)
Joshua


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Martin, that was the most I've laughed in days.
FUNTASTIC!
I woke up thinking abut SUBS today.
WAY COOL!

Now I gotcha!

The next stage is
THINKING IN SUBS!

Then you get to
BUILDING IN SUBS!

Once you are infected,
there's no going back,
at any of the stages!
I need to build my daughter's
mother a house this summer,
in addition to the rest of my projects.
WITH SUBS, SHE CAN BUILD IT!

She needs an hour or two of lessons!
And a pile of materials. It's a party!
My inclination is towards long-standing buildings with lots of
planning, so SUBS is a good compromise, since I can just take it down
and build something else with it later.
Or correct/enhance it
as you live in it and
find out what you like
and don't like about it.
The vast majority of the wood
available near the land is completely green (even to buy it from a
local mill). I can foresee problems making SUBS panels out of green
wood.
I build with ply and
kiln dried lumber to
eliminate that problem.

It's only a little bit
more expensive than
green lumber up here.

But how much can it
twist or warp AFTER
it's already nailed
and glued into panels?

Especially if the panels
are bolted or nailed to
each other! It's a lock!

But I think you have to
wait until they dry before
you can paint them.

I know how to find out!
The upside of being here in the sh(c)ity is all the interesting people
that for some reason accumulate here. Yesterday I went across the
street from where I'm sitting to the park as I do most every day to
have a smoke and I met an interesting Frenchman named Denise. He
lives at some kind of church in Berkeley, and a decade ago was a
professional architect. My years perked up at that, I told him I was
an amateur architect. ;)
PRAISE BOB, WHO WORKS
IN SUCH MYSTERIOUS WAYS!
He had done standard modern city buildings,
and had never heard of earth ships.
I got his email address, thinking I'd drop him a note asking his
opinion on SUBS. We talked about the world and geting older, and
employment, and creative work. Will this really be the summer of
change?
For all those who are
constantly changing, it
will just be more of the
same, all over deja vu!
Post by KONCHOK.PENDAY
However, CAD programs are extremely expensive.
The industry leader, Autocad, is over $2,000,
just for the SOFTWARE, for one workstation!
That's more $ than the computer it runs on!
There are quite a few free and open source CAD programs readily
available.

Cool! I dropped out of the
CAD game about 5 years ago.
As per the subs model... actually, it's incredible.
I think so too!
I was in *AWE* for
days when it hit me.

I felt like I had just won the
international intellectual lottery!
Did it stink melting the plastic?
At least as bad as waffles!
It reminds me of a project of a brother on the land, not dissimilar,
who wants to use the card board waste stream to make a product like
formed loose cardboard and nutrient pots where you put a seed or start
right in, and it's soilless and can be just put in the ground.
Smart Thinking!

We could build a
community database
and sell ideas to
venture capitalists?

Or give them away online
to Adventure Capitalists?
Ah, the waste stream is immense. A part of me wants to shun it, and a
part of me knows we must use it because it's here.
If you can convert
it into an asset,
you'll be wealthy
beyond all measure!
It's a problem on
the land, so much of it arrives all the time.
We sheet mulch with the cardboard.
Or you can burn it?

Are you dumping
all your urine
on the compost?

That's the magic activator
for everything that grows
and breaks things down.

Don't waste a drop!

[It's also the best medicine!
Drink it. Rub it on your skin.
Bathe in it. Stops bleeding!
Cures everything from poison
oak to terminal cancer, etc.]
Even as toys, the model panels might be quite marketable.
I agree! I want a bunch
myself to play design with!

I think it's a huge industry
just waiting to take off, and
fly around the world, to start!
A heat source and mold for full size panels might
be a challenge to make, but likely not that bad.
I agree. It's big but low-tech.

Welding up a metal form would be
the most expensive part. Make a
two-part mold, with the bottom
just a flat sheet of steel, and
the top open framing-member mold.

So what if you get a few small
leaks between the two? They are
easy to cut off, and you just
throw them back in the mold for
the next batch! Then you can
separate the mold pieces and
PUSH the panel out of the mold.
That makes it delightfuly easy!

[The panel is cast with the
surface skin down, and the
framing molds are open so the
extra plastic just runs over.]

You just put cheap flat electic heaters
on the out-sides of the mold walls!
No high-temperature and high pressure
hydraulic lines with plastic in them!
Set them to the right temperature and
keep adding milk jugs until the melted
plastic starts running over. Turn the
power off. Cool with water till firm!
Open the mold and press out the panel!

YOU'RE DONE!

NO PRIMING!
NO PAINTING!
NO MAINTENANCE!

ANY NECESSARY HOLES
CAN BE ADDED LATER,
DURING INSTALLATION!
OR THEY CAN BE NAILED!

That way you don't have
any unnecessary holes,
at least to start with.

If you get too many holes,
start over again! Put the
panel back in the mold,
heat it up, and add some
more milk cartons. GOOD2GO!

You might be able
to make a big mold
for less than $1,000!
I wonder what regulations there are about
melting plastic,
None that I know of.
My frying pan isn't
even registered!
and what the the system would say about the strength
of the plastic panels, let alone SUBS itself.
I know how to find out!
I couldn't resist on Friday tearing the program I'm writing to shreds
to make it better. I'm still putting it back together. I had to do
it, it's a much better program now.
WAY COOL!
I still want to finish it in a
week and be home. There's a LOT
to be done up there right now, I
should be there doing it.
I hope you come soon. :)
Joshua
I'm working on it!

I didn't forget about
generating electricity!


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