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Potty Parity
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M Harris
2009-05-17 13:41:35 UTC
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Hello

I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.
http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm

It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures. Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?

Thanks

Mary
RicodJour
2009-05-17 15:07:25 UTC
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Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures.   Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
Thanks
Mary
If women weren't so shy the bathrooms could all be unisex.

Building codes never address efficiency - they only think they do.
Bathroom utilization is very similar to traffic utilization - it only
takes one slow poke to mess up a drop off point.

R
g***@yahoo.ca
2009-05-17 17:02:52 UTC
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Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures.   Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
Thanks
Mary
If women weren't so shy...
...about some of the "boys" neglecting to lift the toilet seat,
thereby "liquidating some of their assets" upon it and sometimes
around and about, due to splatter...
...the bathrooms could all be unisex.
Word to the boys: Lift the seat and flush first (which seems to
disrupt surface tension and creates foam, which also helps to reduce
splatter) while you liquidate if you want to stand, OR sit your ass
down on your own dried-up liquid while you get a feel for the other
way.
Building codes never address efficiency - they only think they do.
Bathroom utilization is very similar to traffic utilization - it only
takes one slow poke to mess up a drop off point.
We can all get periodically slowed down by the runs. Our hearts should
go out to the odd slow poke. ;)
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-17 19:02:31 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures. Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
Thanks
Mary
If women weren't so shy the bathrooms could all be unisex.
Most nudist resorts have unisex washrooms/showers,
it's perfectly natural.
Post by RicodJour
Building codes never address efficiency - they only think they do.
Bathroom utilization is very similar to traffic utilization - it only
takes one slow poke to mess up a drop off point.
R
Girls pee alot more than boys. I have a theory that men
have shorter life spans cuz they have a higher ureatic
acid content from infrequent peeing, Male Liberation
pee more.
Ken
M Harris
2009-05-18 12:45:38 UTC
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Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick


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Hello

I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.
http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm

It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures. Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?

Thanks

Mary
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-18 14:02:17 UTC
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Post by M Harris
Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick
Well, maybe, but I think the concensus is that girls should
learn to use urinals, not sure if that's an architecture problem,
so I'll defer to the more experienced.
Post by M Harris
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures. Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
Seriously Mary, the b.c. mandates minimum standards of
accessiblity, I've never heard of an "efficiency" standard, so
I guess we're talking around the problem.

Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
Post by M Harris
Thanks
Mary
Welcome
Ken
RicodJour
2009-05-18 14:49:34 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by M Harris
Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick
How so? You can't separate architecture from people. Architecture
without people is sculpture. If you're looking for some theoretical
ideal to hang your hat on, it's not architecture and it won't hold
your hat anyway.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Well, maybe, but I think the concensus is that girls should
learn to use urinals, not sure if that's an architecture problem,
so I'll defer to the more experienced.
Post by M Harris
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes. http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures.   Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
I know there are not.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Seriously Mary, the b.c. mandates minimum standards of
accessiblity, I've never heard of an "efficiency" standard, so
I guess we're talking around the problem.
You can nail down a dimension, you can't nail down a definition of
efficiency - particularly when you're talking about using a bathroom,
and you certainly won't get a something as subjective as bathroom
efficiency codified. Code is meant to provide the minimum acceptable
construction information. If someone wants to make a bathroom stall
bigger, no one will say boo.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
I guess you haven't been in a McD's in some years. The average person
waddling through the doors is tipping the scales at a substantially
higher weight than they used to.

I was quite serious when I was talking about the whole modesty thing.
Here's your typical ancient Roman public toilet.
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It is a very good design for a number of reasons. It's half a urinal,
half a toilet, there's a built in gutter because, hey, no one's
perfect, and you take whatever available seat you want.

Parity doesn't get any better than that.

R
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-18 15:48:34 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by M Harris
Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick
How so? You can't separate architecture from people. Architecture
without people is sculpture. If you're looking for some theoretical
ideal to hang your hat on, it's not architecture and it won't hold
your hat anyway.
Well yeah, (snicker factor aside), it's reasonable to consider
the waste disposal habits of differing sex's in order to under-
stand the problem.
A guy unzips fly, whizzes, rinses hands and is finished,
(maybe #2 once or twice a day), gals, have a different
bladder - uriniation tube connect, and likely #1 2 to 3 times
more frequently, and they need to pull down panties, lift
skirts, sit-down etc. then readjust all that when they get up.

And then there's the monthly issue, of changing pads or
whatever. I'd estimate a woman needs washroom access
time at ~ 3-4 times the rate of men, that's from experience.
Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Well, maybe, but I think the concensus is that girls should
learn to use urinals, not sure if that's an architecture problem,
so I'll defer to the more experienced.
Post by M Harris
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures. Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
I know there are not.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Seriously Mary, the b.c. mandates minimum standards of
accessiblity, I've never heard of an "efficiency" standard, so
I guess we're talking around the problem.
You can nail down a dimension, you can't nail down a definition of
efficiency - particularly when you're talking about using a bathroom,
and you certainly won't get a something as subjective as bathroom
efficiency codified. Code is meant to provide the minimum acceptable
construction information. If someone wants to make a bathroom stall
bigger, no one will say boo.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
I guess you haven't been in a McD's in some years. The average person
waddling through the doors is tipping the scales at a substantially
higher weight than they used to.
;-), maybe there's a way architects can make $'s from
obesity.
Post by RicodJour
I was quite serious when I was talking about the whole modesty thing.
Here's your typical ancient Roman public toilet.http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/roman-toilet.gif
It is a very good design for a number of reasons. It's half a urinal,
half a toilet, there's a built in gutter because, hey, no one's
perfect, and you take whatever available seat you want.
Small, medium and large, kids, gals, and the well hung.
I hate it when sitting down and my pee-pee touches anything.
Wife claims to have bought the biggest W/C available
that I find too small. I'm 6' with a 4-5" member (average),
but it's low-flush.

Them Romans had it figured out, I don't mind sitting and
peeing, but I get a bit better drainage by standing.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-25 11:57:33 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by M Harris
Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick
How so?  You can't separate architecture from people.  Architecture
without people is sculpture.  If you're looking for some theoretical
ideal to hang your hat on, it's not architecture and it won't hold
your hat anyway.
Well yeah, (snicker factor aside), it's reasonable to consider
the waste disposal habits of differing sex's in order to under-
stand the problem.
A guy unzips fly, whizzes, rinses hands and is finished,
(maybe #2 once or twice a day), gals, have a different
bladder - uriniation tube connect, and likely #1  2 to 3 times
more frequently, and they need to pull down panties, lift
skirts, sit-down etc. then readjust all that when they get up.
And then there's the monthly issue, of changing pads or
whatever. I'd estimate a woman needs washroom access
time at ~ 3-4 times the rate of men, that's from experience.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Well, maybe, but I think the concensus is that girls should
learn to use urinals, not sure if that's an architecture problem,
so I'll defer to the more experienced.
Post by M Harris
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures.   Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
I know there are not.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Seriously Mary, the b.c. mandates minimum standards of
accessiblity, I've never heard of an "efficiency" standard, so
I guess we're talking around the problem.
You can nail down a dimension, you can't nail down a definition of
efficiency - particularly when you're talking about using a bathroom,
and you certainly won't get a something as subjective as bathroom
efficiency codified.  Code is meant to provide the minimum acceptable
construction information.  If someone wants to make a bathroom stall
bigger, no one will say boo.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
I guess you haven't been in a McD's in some years.  The average person
waddling through the doors is tipping the scales at a substantially
higher weight than they used to.
;-), maybe there's a way architects can make $'s from
obesity.
I was quite serious when I was talking about the whole modesty thing.
Here's your typical ancient Roman public toilet.http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/roman-toilet.gif
It is a very good design for a number of reasons.  It's half a urinal,
half a toilet, there's a built in gutter because, hey, no one's
perfect, and you take whatever available seat you want.
Small, medium and large, kids, gals, and the well hung.
I hate it when sitting down and my pee-pee touches anything.
Man, that water's cold.

Yeah, deep too.
g***@yahoo.ca
2009-05-21 19:10:15 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by M Harris
Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick
How so?  You can't separate architecture from people.  Architecture
without people is sculpture.  If you're looking for some theoretical
ideal to hang your hat on, it's not architecture and it won't hold
your hat anyway.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Well, maybe, but I think the concensus is that girls should
learn to use urinals, not sure if that's an architecture problem,
so I'll defer to the more experienced.
Post by M Harris
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures.   Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
I know there are not.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Seriously Mary, the b.c. mandates minimum standards of
accessiblity, I've never heard of an "efficiency" standard, so
I guess we're talking around the problem.
You can nail down a dimension, you can't nail down a definition of
efficiency - particularly when you're talking about using a bathroom,
and you certainly won't get a something as subjective as bathroom
efficiency codified.  Code is meant to provide the minimum acceptable
construction information.  If someone wants to make a bathroom stall
bigger, no one will say boo.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
I guess you haven't been in a McD's in some years.  The average person
waddling through the doors is tipping the scales at a substantially
higher weight than they used to.
I just about have to stand up on the toilet bowl's edge in some places
just to swing open the inward-swinging door and I'm a fairly lithe
5'8".
Handicap stalls, which are usually more spacious, also have doors that
swing outward. I usually choose to use them.
There are other benefits to having more stall space, such as with
regard to noise and smells.
Peace-of-mind needs to be factored into some cost-benefit analyses.
I was quite serious when I was talking about the whole modesty thing.
Here's your typical ancient Roman public toilet.http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/roman-toilet.gif
It is a very good design for a number of reasons.  It's half a urinal,
half a toilet, there's a built in gutter because, hey, no one's
perfect, and you take whatever available seat you want.
Ya and look how many people are currently using them. ;P

If you think of 'a room of one's own' for a toilet stall, you've got
something.
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-25 11:56:25 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by M Harris
Boy did this go off topic (architecture) quick
How so?  You can't separate architecture from people.  Architecture
without people is sculpture.  If you're looking for some theoretical
ideal to hang your hat on, it's not architecture and it won't hold
your hat anyway.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Well, maybe, but I think the concensus is that girls should
learn to use urinals, not sure if that's an architecture problem,
so I'll defer to the more experienced.
Post by M Harris
Hello
I'm reviewing a potty parity web page that refers to the building codes.http://americanrestroom.org/parity/index.htm
It dicusses the code for the minumum number of toilet fixtures.   Does
anyone know if there are sections in the building codes that discuss
efficiency of the floor plan?
I know there are not.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Seriously Mary, the b.c. mandates minimum standards of
accessiblity, I've never heard of an "efficiency" standard, so
I guess we're talking around the problem.
You can nail down a dimension, you can't nail down a definition of
efficiency - particularly when you're talking about using a bathroom,
and you certainly won't get a something as subjective as bathroom
efficiency codified.  Code is meant to provide the minimum acceptable
construction information.  If someone wants to make a bathroom stall
bigger, no one will say boo.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
I guess you haven't been in a McD's in some years.  The average person
waddling through the doors is tipping the scales at a substantially
higher weight than they used to.
I was quite serious when I was talking about the whole modesty thing.
Here's your typical ancient Roman public toilet.http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/roman-toilet.gif
It is a very good design for a number of reasons.  It's half a urinal,
half a toilet, there's a built in gutter because, hey, no one's
perfect, and you take whatever available seat you want.
Parity doesn't get any better than that.
R
Google some of the serious squat toilet sites sometime, you'll be
enlightened I'm sure.
Yes, it is science and medical at its base.
I was convinced, but I'm not ready to construct a scaffold over our
toilets just yet.

Confused? Do the google.
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-25 11:53:40 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-25 13:45:07 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
LOL, Thank you for the "creative" imagery, I think I'll
skip breakfast.
IIRC, in the 50's and early 60's most people were comfortably
thin, and the fatties were snickered at.
Our guess is increased appliancization and fast-food.
As a kid our family ate out (or ordered in) about once a
week, and the rest was a fairly good well balanced diet,
and most did sports.
TV and then video games have become so much fun,
and fast-food so tasty and cheap, and constantly on
TV commercials, and most street corners, and then
the gov decided tobacco is bad and it's the perfect
storm for fat people all over the place.

I'll have a cigarette for breakfast.
Ken
RicodJour
2009-05-25 14:30:19 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
LOL, Thank you for the "creative" imagery, I think I'll
skip breakfast.
IIRC, in the 50's and early 60's most people were comfortably
thin, and the fatties were snickered at.
Our guess is increased appliancization and fast-food.
As a kid our family ate out (or ordered in) about once a
week, and the rest was a fairly good well balanced diet,
and most did sports.
TV and then video games have become so much fun,
and fast-food so tasty and cheap, and constantly on
TV commercials, and most street corners, and then
the gov decided tobacco is bad and it's the perfect
storm for fat people all over the place.
I'll have a cigarette for breakfast.
Ken
If you haven't read The Omnivore's Dilemma, you should. A very good
read and extremely interesting. One of the points made was that corn
was "weaponized". Not for use as a weapon, but meant to insure a
steady supply of food so the industrial-military complex. Kind of
weird sounding, but the theory has some legs.

Essentially taking a staple food source and making it into an
ingredient in something like 75% of the food consumed in the US is a
route source of the obesity problem (among many others). Having huge
amounts of subsidized corn insured feed for animals and cheap food.
Cheap does not mean healthy.

Cows are fed corn - something that they have little ability to
digest. Something like 75% of cows slaughtered have liver disease.
Cows have evolved to eat grass. Attempting to control their
consumption and increase their weight with growth hormones and
unnatural foodstuffs, not to mention the conditions in which they are
raised, creates health problems for the cows. And we gladly chow down
on them so we can have $5 steaks and $1 hamburgers.

R
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-27 16:46:53 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
LOL, Thank you for the "creative" imagery, I think I'll
skip breakfast.
IIRC, in the 50's and early 60's most people were comfortably
thin, and the fatties were snickered at.
Our guess is increased appliancization and fast-food.
As a kid our family ate out (or ordered in) about once a
week, and the rest was a fairly good well balanced diet,
and most did sports.
TV and then video games have become so much fun,
and fast-food so tasty and cheap, and constantly on
TV commercials, and most street corners, and then
the gov decided tobacco is bad and it's the perfect
storm for fat people all over the place.
I'll have a cigarette for breakfast.
Ken
If you haven't read The Omnivore's Dilemma, you should.  A very good
read and extremely interesting.  One of the points made was that corn
was "weaponized".  Not for use as a weapon, but meant to insure a
steady supply of food so the industrial-military complex.  Kind of
weird sounding, but the theory has some legs.
Essentially taking a staple food source and making it into an
ingredient in something like 75% of the food consumed in the US is a
route source of the obesity problem (among many others).  Having huge
amounts of subsidized corn insured feed for animals and cheap food.
Cheap does not mean healthy.
Cows are fed corn - something that they have little ability to
digest.  Something like 75% of cows slaughtered have liver disease.
Cows have evolved to eat grass.  Attempting to control their
consumption and increase their weight with growth hormones and
unnatural foodstuffs, not to mention the conditions in which they are
raised, creates health problems for the cows.  And we gladly chow down
on them so we can have $5 steaks and $1 hamburgers.
R
If we get a cow like I want it will eat nothing but lobster and sam
adams beer and be completely massaged by hand, trice daily, by
adolescent oriental gurlz.
I want a jersey one, to make cheese and buddah.
RicodJour
2009-05-27 19:42:42 UTC
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If we get a cow like I want it will eat nothing but lobster and sam
adams beer and be completely massaged by hand, trice daily, by
adolescent oriental gurlz.
I want a jersey one, to make cheese and buddah.
Have you ever had Kobe beef? In Manhattan you'll see specials
advertised. A pound of their premium grade and a pound of their
middling grade for two hundred bucks. Wagyu is an even higher grade.
There's a hibachi-type steak house near where my sister's head office
is, and they have a neat little hibachi built into the table and some
_damn_ good steak. I always liked cooking my own meat. Even if I
mess it up a bit, it still tastes better than having it come out of
some kitchen. You can order any of a number of thinly sliced meats
and cook it up. Damn, now my stomach is rumbling!

R
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-28 01:51:23 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
LOL, Thank you for the "creative" imagery, I think I'll
skip breakfast.
IIRC, in the 50's and early 60's most people were comfortably
thin, and the fatties were snickered at.
Our guess is increased appliancization and fast-food.
As a kid our family ate out (or ordered in) about once a
week, and the rest was a fairly good well balanced diet,
and most did sports.
TV and then video games have become so much fun,
and fast-food so tasty and cheap, and constantly on
TV commercials, and most street corners, and then
the gov decided tobacco is bad and it's the perfect
storm for fat people all over the place.
I'll have a cigarette for breakfast.
Ken
If you haven't read The Omnivore's Dilemma, you should. A very good
read and extremely interesting. One of the points made was that corn
was "weaponized". Not for use as a weapon, but meant to insure a
steady supply of food so the industrial-military complex. Kind of
weird sounding, but the theory has some legs.
Essentially taking a staple food source and making it into an
ingredient in something like 75% of the food consumed in the US is a
route source of the obesity problem (among many others). Having huge
amounts of subsidized corn insured feed for animals and cheap food.
Cheap does not mean healthy.
Cows are fed corn - something that they have little ability to
digest. Something like 75% of cows slaughtered have liver disease.
Cows have evolved to eat grass. Attempting to control their
consumption and increase their weight with growth hormones and
unnatural foodstuffs, not to mention the conditions in which they are
raised, creates health problems for the cows. And we gladly chow down
on them so we can have $5 steaks and $1 hamburgers.
R
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
Ken
RicodJour
2009-05-28 03:20:27 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night. I found it more enjoyable
than studying. Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year. I usually have several going at once.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn. Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays. If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative. http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html

You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket? Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.

R
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-28 15:29:19 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night. I found it more enjoyable
than studying. Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year. I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn. Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays. If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative. http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
Post by RicodJour
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket? Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-31 15:50:23 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night.  I found it more enjoyable
than studying.  Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year.  I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn.  Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays.  If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative.  http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket?  Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and he
seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional disaster being
perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after the
fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything these days.
The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar across the board and
as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria in their
intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it become
more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are working against
you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals that have been put in
food your whole life for preservative purposes is undigestible and
remains trapped in your intestines building up over the years and
causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross referenced
him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an agenda or
if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off yet. heh

And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and the
cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-06-03 08:53:04 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night. I found it more enjoyable
than studying. Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year. I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn. Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays. If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative. http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
Post by RicodJour
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket? Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and he
seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional disaster being
perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after the
fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything these days.
The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar across the board and
as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria in their
intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it become
more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are working against
you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals that have been put in
food your whole life for preservative purposes is undigestible and
remains trapped in your intestines building up over the years and
causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross referenced
him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an agenda or
if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off yet. heh
And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and the
cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny :-).
Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee box of
Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold winter.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-06-08 18:49:52 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night.  I found it more enjoyable
than studying.  Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year.  I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn.  Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays.  If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative.  http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket?  Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and he
seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional disaster being
perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after the
fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything these days.
The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar across the board and
as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria in their
intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it become
more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are working against
you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals that have been put in
food your whole life for preservative purposes is undigestible and
remains trapped in your intestines building up over the years and
causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross referenced
him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an agenda or
if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off yet. heh
And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and the
cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny :-).
Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee box of
Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold winter.
Ken
I likes me some corn every now and then, 'specially if it hasn't been
genetically modified.
Just last night I had 2 giant ears of local tri-color corn on the cobs
swimmin in 100% buddah and laminated with sea salt.
Mmmmmmmmmm.......
Was very satisfied on the throne this morning too.... :-)

I eat lots of oatmeal in the cold months and suffuse it with pure
maple syrup.
I mix my oatmeal 4 to 1 with farina, sprinkle it with madagascar
cinnamon, 5 to 1 milk and water, then the maple, and a couple huge
spoons of brown sugar.
dawgeez......
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-06-08 18:51:21 UTC
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Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night.  I found it more enjoyable
than studying.  Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year.  I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn.  Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays.  If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative.  http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket?  Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and he
seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional disaster being
perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after the
fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything these days.
The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar across the board and
as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria in their
intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it become
more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are working against
you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals that have been put in
food your whole life for preservative purposes is undigestible and
remains trapped in your intestines building up over the years and
causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross referenced
him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an agenda or
if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off yet. heh
And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and the
cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny :-).
Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee box of
Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold winter.
Ken
BTW: That creamed corn comes in a can, so look at that list of
chemicals on the side of the can thats mixed in with it.
They live rent free in your colon til you die.
I eat the stuff too, but rarely.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-06-09 04:08:01 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night. I found it more enjoyable
than studying. Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year. I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by RicodJour
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn. Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays. If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative. http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
Post by RicodJour
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket? Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and he
seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional disaster being
perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after the
fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything these days.
The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar across the board and
as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria in their
intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it become
more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are working against
you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals that have been put in
food your whole life for preservative purposes is undigestible and
remains trapped in your intestines building up over the years and
causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross referenced
him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an agenda or
if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off yet. heh
And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and the
cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny :-).
Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee box of
Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold winter.
Ken
BTW: That creamed corn comes in a can, so look at that list of
chemicals on the side of the can thats mixed in with it.
They live rent free in your colon til you die.
I eat the stuff too, but rarely.
Well you sound like you're part sissy ;-), we can't figure
out the other part yet.
Anyway real men eat corn fridders for breakfast, and cream
of corn for dessert, to keep the tape worms from starving,
which ya need to keep the ole colon clean.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-06-12 22:20:04 UTC
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Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night.  I found it more enjoyable
than studying.  Now I probably don't read more than 50 or 60 books a
year.  I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn.  Only problem is that they put
it and its byproducts in everything nowadays.  If you see an
ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is, it's probably a
corn derivative.  http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html
Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs in one
basket?  Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn basket - and
the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and he
seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional disaster being
perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after the
fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything these days.
The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar across the board and
as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria in their
intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it become
more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are working against
you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals that have been put in
food your whole life for preservative purposes is undigestible and
remains trapped in your intestines building up over the years and
causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross referenced
him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an agenda or
if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off yet. heh
And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and the
cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny :-).
Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee box of
Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold winter.
Ken
BTW: That creamed corn comes in a can, so look at that list of
chemicals on the side of the can thats mixed in with it.
They live rent free in your colon til you die.
I eat the stuff too, but rarely.
Well you sound like you're part sissy ;-), we can't figure
out the other part yet.
Anyway real men eat corn fridders for breakfast, and cream
of corn for dessert, to keep the tape worms from starving,
which ya need to keep the ole colon clean.
Ken
Knee high by the 4th of July.
This year I'm gonna eat it right off the stalk right on the spot.
They say that'll make you shoot holes all the way through the
headboard.
The inside of the cans are lined with plastic, a petroleum based
product that leaches into the product and is not digestible.
David "Doc" Leifheit
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Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night.  I found it more
enjo
yable
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than studying.  Now I probably don't read more than 50 or
60
books a
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year.  I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
Post by Ken S. Tucker
For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn.  Only problem is
that
they put
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it and its byproducts in everything nowadays.  If you see
an ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is,
it's prob
ably a
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corn derivative.
 http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/produc
ts.html
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Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs
in o
ne
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basket?  Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn
bas
ket - and
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the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and
he seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional
disaster bei
ng
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perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after
the fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything
these days. The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar
across the board an
d
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as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria
in th
eir
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intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it
become more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are
working against you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals
that have been put in food your whole life for preservative
purposes is undigestible and remains trapped in your intestines
building up over the years and causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross
referen
ced
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him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an
agenda o
r
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if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off
yet. h
eh
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And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and
the cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny
:-). Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee
box of Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold
winter. Ken
BTW: That creamed corn comes in a can, so look at that list of
chemicals on the side of the can thats mixed in with it.
They live rent free in your colon til you die.
I eat the stuff too, but rarely.
Well you sound like you're part sissy ;-), we can't figure
out the other part yet.
Anyway real men eat corn fridders for breakfast, and cream
of corn for dessert, to keep the tape worms from starving,
which ya need to keep the ole colon clean.
Ken
Knee high by the 4th of July.
This year I'm gonna eat it right off the stalk right on the spot.
They say that'll make you shoot holes all the way through the
headboard.
The inside of the cans are lined with plastic, a petroleum based
product that leaches into the product and is not digestible.
Actually they are lined with a thin enamel coating. Not usually plastic
as plastic would melt in the canning process. The heat of sterilization
would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-06-13 13:47:10 UTC
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Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
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When I was a kid I read a book a night. I found it more
enjo
yable
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than studying. Now I probably don't read more than 50 or
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year. I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
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For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn. Only problem is
that
they put
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it and its byproducts in everything nowadays. If you see
an ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is,
it's prob
ably a
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corn derivative.
http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/produc
ts.html
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Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
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You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs
in o
ne
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basket? Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn
bas
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the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and
he seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional
disaster bei
ng
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perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after
the fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything
these days. The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar
across the board an
d
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as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria
in th
eir
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intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it
become more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are
working against you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals
that have been put in food your whole life for preservative
purposes is undigestible and remains trapped in your intestines
building up over the years and causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross
referen
ced
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him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an
agenda o
r
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if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off
yet. h
eh
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And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and
the cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny
:-). Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee
box of Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold
winter. Ken
BTW: That creamed corn comes in a can, so look at that list of
chemicals on the side of the can thats mixed in with it.
They live rent free in your colon til you die.
I eat the stuff too, but rarely.
Well you sound like you're part sissy ;-), we can't figure
out the other part yet.
Anyway real men eat corn fridders for breakfast, and cream
of corn for dessert, to keep the tape worms from starving,
which ya need to keep the ole colon clean.
Ken
Knee high by the 4th of July.
This year I'm gonna eat it right off the stalk right on the spot.
They say that'll make you shoot holes all the way through the
headboard.
The inside of the cans are lined with plastic, a petroleum based
product that leaches into the product and is not digestible.
Well sure, vigulance is reasonable, and organic foods
are available.
This stuff, " bisphenol A " herein,
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0605/p02s08-usgn.html
A recent TV documentary highlighted a claim that chemicals
and pollutants are causing defects in male babies pee-pees.
It looks likes it's reducing IQ levels too, especially noticeable
in the Toronto-Windsor area.
We moved out of the area for that reason.
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Actually they are lined with a thin enamel coating. Not usually plastic
as plastic would melt in the canning process. The heat of sterilization
would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
Well that may be part of the causal problem when
sterilizing plastic baby bottles with boiling water that
is commonly done.
Ken
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Actually they are lined with a thin enamel coating. Not usually
plastic as plastic would melt in the canning process. The heat of
sterilization would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
Well that may be part of the causal problem when
sterilizing plastic baby bottles with boiling water that
is commonly done.
Ken
I wouldn't know about plastic baby bottles. I have never seen any put in a
pressure cooker. I imagine that under pressure and high heat they would
soften up pretty well. Although the plastic in the bottles is much thicker
than the lining of a can, so it might hold up... for a little while.

Hm. Wish I was still working for the cannery, that could be fun in the
verticle retort... put a plastic baby bottle in one of the baskets and see
if it survives. Couldn't put one in a continous retort, it wouldn't fit in
the track and would probably jamb the machine.
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Actually they are lined with a thin enamel coating. Not usually
plastic as plastic would melt in the canning process. The heat of
sterilization would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
Well that may be part of the causal problem when
sterilizing plastic baby bottles with boiling water that
is commonly done.
Ken
I wouldn't know about plastic baby bottles. I have never seen any put in a
pressure cooker. I imagine that under pressure and high heat they would
soften up pretty well. Although the plastic in the bottles is much thicker
than the lining of a can, so it might hold up... for a little while.
When I dressed up in diapers, glass was the big thing,
I eventually out grew that kink.
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Hm. Wish I was still working for the cannery, that could be fun in the
verticle retort... put a plastic baby bottle in one of the baskets and see
if it survives. Couldn't put one in a continous retort, it wouldn't fit in
the track and would probably jamb the machine.
Unfortunately, the effect Don suggests is actually difficult
to study, where human health is concerned, since medical
records are confidential, and the ontario gov certainly does
NOT want the public to know. In canuckistan govmonks
work for the queen NOT the taxpayer, and it's legal for
canuck govmonks to lie, which is the norm.

We just started eating Pop-Tarts (frosted strawberry) again,
last time I did was back in the womb, they're very good, puts
lead in my pencil :-).
Ken
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We just started eating Pop-Tarts (frosted strawberry) again,
last time I did was back in the womb, they're very good, puts
lead in my pencil :-).
My kid used to eat them things and I tried one, echhh, flavorless
gooey cardboard.
Though I liked em as a kid.
Are you going thru your 2nd childhood Kenniff?

Awhile back I was lured in by the delectable marketing strategy of the
HotPockets team and partook on one of their more recent concoctions.
1) Didin't look like the one on the package after it was nooked.
2) Was difficult to get the swollen victim out of the aluminum coated
cooking sleeve which prolly gave me another brain tumor.
3) Tasted like refried dawg shitski and the consistency was of fresh
hurl.
They won't lure me again and its true - there is no free lunch.

Check it out:
Me and my wife have embarked on a journey we call *cheep eetin*.
It is possible for the two of us to eat a well balanced complete
supper (meat+starch+vegetable) for less than $2.00 total.
If we have a big salad instead of the above the cost is even less,
about $1.00 per person.
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We just started eating Pop-Tarts (frosted strawberry) again,
last time I did was back in the womb, they're very good, puts
lead in my pencil :-).
My kid used to eat them things and I tried one, echhh, flavorless
gooey cardboard.
Though I liked em as a kid.
Are you going thru your 2nd childhood Kenniff?
We try different stuff for dessert, such as those cute
8 packs with different kids cereals, fun stuff.
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Awhile back I was lured in by the delectable marketing strategy of the
HotPockets team and partook on one of their more recent concoctions.
1) Didin't look like the one on the package after it was nooked.
2) Was difficult to get the swollen victim out of the aluminum coated
cooking sleeve which prolly gave me another brain tumor.
3) Tasted like refried dawg shitski and the consistency was of fresh
hurl.
They won't lure me again and its true - there is no free lunch.
Never heard of them,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Pockets
wow they sound good, recall I figure a TV-dinner a delicacy,
they're going on the list!

The other day I noticed a pair of sox was getting a bit worn,
so I donated them to the poor people and put them back in
my drawer.
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Me and my wife have embarked on a journey we call *cheep eetin*.
It is possible for the two of us to eat a well balanced complete
supper (meat+starch+vegetable) for less than $2.00 total.
If we have a big salad instead of the above the cost is even less,
about $1.00 per person.
One recent kink is to make sub sandwiches, in hot dog
buns, marg, mayo, meat, pickle, olives, cheese, tomato,
etc.
Another one is a pizza planner. We compassed a circle
and subdivide it into 8 45deg segs, then to each segment
we pre-plan the toppings we want using a legend,
Salami, Anchovy, Pineapple, Tomato, shrimp, Ham,
Mushroom, Onion, plain, Cheese, olives.
S,A,P,T,s,H,M,O,p,C,o.

Note: we don't use pepperoni because we used up our
P and p, we're still trying to solve that problem.
We call that Pizza Design Theory (PDT).
Ken
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wro
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Rico you sound very well read, eclectically - we should
call you the Librarian.
When I was a kid I read a book a night.  I found it more
enjo
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than studying.  Now I probably don't read more than 50 or
60
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year.  I usually have several going at once.
I got banned from reading at the supper table, something
to do with family time and conversation which usually
consisted of an older female sibling regurgitate gossip
with an IQ of 80 and bore everyone to sleep. After a few
days of yawning I was allowed to return to Galileo's
biography.
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For me, I love corn, it was always a fave before I heard
that 4-letter word "diet".
I agree with you - I really like corn.  Only problem is
that
they put
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it and its byproducts in everything nowadays.  If you see
an ingredient on a label and you're not sure what it is,
it's prob
ably a
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corn derivative.
 http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/produc
ts.html
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Nice link, but similiar arguments could be made for wheat,
vegetable oil, petroleum, wood, cotton, silicon etc.
You know the old saying about not putting all of your eggs
in o
ne
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basket?  Well, we're putting all of our diets in the corn
bas
ket - and
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the basket is made out of corn as well.
R
Shredded Uranium, that's the ticket!
Ken
Google a dood named Dr Mercola.
I've been reading his newsletter for the past couple years and
he seems to have a pretty good idea about the nutritional
disaster bei
ng
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perpetrated in the US. Corn is being altered, before and after
the fact, in lots of ways and used in just about everything
these days. The fructose from corn is substituted for sugar
across the board an
d
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as Marcello said a few years ago is at the base of the obesity
*epidemic*.
Just recently I read that as people become obese the bacteria
in th
eir
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intestines *evolve* to accomodate the diet and therefore it
become more difficult to lose the weight, the bacteria are
working against you. Also, much of the unnecessary chemicals
that have been put in food your whole life for preservative
purposes is undigestible and remains trapped in your intestines
building up over the years and causing all sorts of problems.
I don't agree with everything Mercola says but I have cross
referen
ced
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him quite a bit and have learned he's not an idiot with an
agenda o
r
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if he is he keeps it well concealed and hasn't gypped me off
yet. h
eh
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And don't get me started on soy...corns biggest competitor and
the cause of mass pussification on a global scale.
Well, you and Rico are the last guys I'd figure to be anti-corny
:-). Me, I'm pro-corny. Sitting on my desk, as I reply, is a wee
box of Kellogg's "CORN POPS" and a can of Western Family, "Cream
Style Corn", both of those I regard as a nice treat for dessert.
Corn syrup in porridge is an excellent breakfast in a cold
winter. Ken
BTW: That creamed corn comes in a can, so look at that list of
chemicals on the side of the can thats mixed in with it.
They live rent free in your colon til you die.
I eat the stuff too, but rarely.
Well you sound like you're part sissy ;-), we can't figure
out the other part yet.
Anyway real men eat corn fridders for breakfast, and cream
of corn for dessert, to keep the tape worms from starving,
which ya need to keep the ole colon clean.
Ken
Knee high by the 4th of July.
This year I'm gonna eat it right off the stalk right on the spot.
They say that'll make you shoot holes all the way through the
headboard.
The inside of the cans are lined with plastic, a petroleum based
product that leaches into the product and is not digestible.
Actually they are lined with a thin enamel coating.  
I've been collecting can lids for the past year or so for a pet
project I'm working on and have actually peeled the plastic off the
inside of the lids.
Call it enamel if you will but it *appears* to be a plastic product to
me.
Also, it deforms, burns and melts under direct flame.


Not usually plastic
as plastic would melt in the canning process.  
Yes, *some* plastic will melt when exposed to heat, others are
impervious to it.
Like the plastic Hormel puts their single serve meals in that are
meant to be microwaved.


The heat of sterilization
would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
My understanding is that the temp is only taken to 160 degrees for the
canning process and not high enough to damage the plastic that is used
to line the cans.
Plastic is also inside soft drink cans.
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The heat of sterilization
would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
My understanding is that the temp is only taken to 160 degrees for the
canning process and not high enough to damage the plastic that is used
to line the cans.
Plastic is also inside soft drink cans.
Your understanding is incorrect.

Commercial canning processes typically use steam to super heat the water in the continuous and verticle
retorts/cookers. The process is usually run for 1/2 hour or more. Either submerged in a verticle retort
or running on tracks throught the continuous retorts/cookers. Depending on the product the enamel coating
can be tough enough to withstand acids. Canned fruits naturally have higher acidity than vegetables so
those cans have a better coating.

I have no idea what a pop can is lined with as I never worked in a plant that "canned" soft drinks. The
cans I did work with had enamel coatings, as noted on the labels on the lids and the pallets of empty
cans. We had to be sure to match the lids with the cans since the "better" (more acid resistant) coatings
were also more expensive.

I see that different sites on the 'net list everything from plastic to epoxy for the coating. Guess it
depends on who you ask. I do wonder if any of them have actually worked in the industry? I did, paid my
way through college.
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2009-06-22 04:23:46 UTC
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The heat of sterilization
would do a lot of damage to a plastic coating.
My understanding is that the temp is only taken to 160 degrees for the
canning process and not high enough to damage the plastic that is used
to line the cans.
Plastic is also inside soft drink cans.
Your understanding is incorrect.
Commercial canning processes typically use steam to super heat the water in the continuous and verticle
retorts/cookers.  The process is usually run for 1/2 hour or more.  Either submerged in a verticle retort
or running on tracks throught the continuous retorts/cookers.  Depending on the product the enamel coating
can be tough enough to withstand acids.  Canned fruits naturally have higher acidity than vegetables so
those cans have a better coating.  
I have no idea what a pop can is lined with as I never worked in a plant that "canned" soft drinks.  The
cans I did work with had enamel coatings, as noted on the labels on the lids and the pallets of empty
cans.  We had to be sure to match the lids with the cans since the "better" (more acid resistant) coatings
were also more expensive.  
I see that different sites on the 'net list everything from plastic to epoxy for the coating.  Guess it
depends on who you ask.  I do wonder if any of them have actually worked in the industry?  I did, paid my
way through college.
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused. Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen. The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one. Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.

Cans are lined with plastic. Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
offerings:
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins

Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic. These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization. That is the basic
definition of a plastic. Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.

R
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2009-06-22 20:42:42 UTC
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You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused. Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen. The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one. Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic. Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%
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20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic. These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization. That is the basic
definition of a plastic. Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans. Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.

The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating. I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.

http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441

Lacquering

This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.


http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
RicodJour
2009-06-22 21:33:33 UTC
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You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!" Loose verbiage.

Lacquer, from Wiki:
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."

Please note "other polymers" and acrylic. The lining of cans is
plastic. Just deal with it.

R
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You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
RicodJour
2009-06-24 15:45:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
In no particular order:
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over. All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life. Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff. That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.

R
Ken S. Tucker
2009-06-24 16:27:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by RicodJour
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by RicodJour
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused. Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen. The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one. Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic. Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic. These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization. That is the basic
definition of a plastic. Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans. Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating. I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!" Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic. The lining of cans is
plastic. Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.

As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.

Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over. All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life. Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff. That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Señior Popcorn-Coconut
2009-06-28 08:12:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by RicodJour
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over.  All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life.  Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff.  That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Well that's good to know about the cans because I was concerned about
leaving some canned opened apple juice in the fridge and a little
metal leaching out. I swear by glass.
Pop tarts... ah yes, you put those in the toaster and get them all
nice warm and toasty, and then savour them when they pop out.
If you want to send over a hacksaw to Ottawa that will be fine.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-06-29 23:43:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Señior Popcorn-Coconut
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by RicodJour
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by RicodJour
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused. Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen. The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one. Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic. Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic. These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization. That is the basic
definition of a plastic. Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans. Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating. I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!" Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic. The lining of cans is
plastic. Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over. All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life. Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff. That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Well that's good to know about the cans because I was concerned about
leaving some canned opened apple juice in the fridge and a little
metal leaching out. I swear by glass.
Pop tarts... ah yes, you put those in the toaster and get them all
nice warm and toasty, and then savour them when they pop out.
If you want to send over a hacksaw to Ottawa that will be fine.
Many times camping, we've opened a can of stew and
cooked it over an open fire until it bubbles.
One favorite is beans, stick a couple of weiners in the
can (after sippin' some off) and roast over an open fire.
Maybe that can liner gunk adds flavor, but that campfire
food sure is tasty.

Ah Ottawa, the city of honesty, where Nortel drove
housing prices up...put a zipper on yer mattress.

I was thinking about you the other day cuz on the news
was some people whinning about cig-butts on the English
Bay beach. No news is good news(?).
Ken
PS:Hacksaw COD?
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-06-29 18:11:35 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over.  All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life.  Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff.  That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Life on planet earth: nobody gets out alive.
Keep yer eye on your mailbox.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-06-29 23:28:02 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
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Post by RicodJour
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused. Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen. The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one. Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic. Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic. These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization. That is the basic
definition of a plastic. Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans. Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating. I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!" Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic. The lining of cans is
plastic. Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over. All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life. Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff. That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Life on planet earth: nobody gets out alive.
Keep yer eye on your mailbox.
Ok:-). We're still looking for a seedy xmas card for yer
missus, the locals just buy the baby tomato plants from
a 'nursery'.
Makes sense, few people grow tomato's plants from seeds,
so now we're sourcing the seeds for the plants.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-07-01 10:48:12 UTC
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Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over.  All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life.  Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff.  That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Life on planet earth: nobody gets out alive.
Keep yer eye on your mailbox.
Ok:-). We're still looking for a seedy xmas card for yer
missus, the locals just buy the baby tomato plants from
a 'nursery'.
Makes sense, few people grow tomato's plants from seeds,
so now we're sourcing the seeds for the plants.
Ken
Last night I made a load of my legendary apple crisp with a big can of
sliced apples, generic store brand.
The inside of the can appeared to NOT be lined.
Took it to the garage and put the torch to it...ta-daaaa, no lining!
So some companies are still doing it the old way.
Yeah, seeds is where its at for cash crops, specially if they are
heirloom quality, with a proven track record.
Might even set up a 'lil ol' greenhouse.
Going to the PO today, have to fill out a customs form on you.
2 for ya'll and 2 for your friends/fambly.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-07-02 05:14:21 UTC
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Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused. Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen. The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one. Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic. Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic. These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization. That is the basic
definition of a plastic. Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans. Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating. I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!" Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic. The lining of cans is
plastic. Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over. All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life. Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff. That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Life on planet earth: nobody gets out alive.
Keep yer eye on your mailbox.
Ok:-). We're still looking for a seedy xmas card for yer
missus, the locals just buy the baby tomato plants from
a 'nursery'.
Makes sense, few people grow tomato's plants from seeds,
so now we're sourcing the seeds for the plants.
Ken
Last night I made a load of my legendary apple crisp with a big can of
sliced apples, generic store brand.
The inside of the can appeared to NOT be lined.
Took it to the garage and put the torch to it...ta-daaaa, no lining!
So some companies are still doing it the old way.
Wife had a can of clam chowder, it had a white liner.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Yeah, seeds is where its at for cash crops, specially if they are
heirloom quality, with a proven track record.
Might even set up a 'lil ol' greenhouse.
We have 2 totes with tomatoes and potatoes as an
experiment, so far so good.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Going to the PO today, have to fill out a customs form on you.
2 for ya'll and 2 for your friends/fambly.
Great, looking forward! Here's something coming up
you and guys may enjoy,
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview23
It's supposed to be a jet fighter made of wood.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-07-04 02:23:21 UTC
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Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over.  All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life.  Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff.  That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Life on planet earth: nobody gets out alive.
Keep yer eye on your mailbox.
Ok:-). We're still looking for a seedy xmas card for yer
missus, the locals just buy the baby tomato plants from
a 'nursery'.
Makes sense, few people grow tomato's plants from seeds,
so now we're sourcing the seeds for the plants.
Ken
Last night I made a load of my legendary apple crisp with a big can of
sliced apples, generic store brand.
The inside of the can appeared to NOT be lined.
Took it to the garage and put the torch to it...ta-daaaa, no lining!
So some companies are still doing it the old way.
Wife had a can of clam chowder, it had a white liner.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Yeah, seeds is where its at for cash crops, specially if they are
heirloom quality, with a proven track record.
Might even set up a 'lil ol' greenhouse.
We have 2 totes with tomatoes and potatoes as an
experiment, so far so good.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Going to the PO today, have to fill out a customs form on you.
2 for ya'll and 2 for your friends/fambly.
Great, looking forward! Here's something coming up
you and guys may enjoy,http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighte...
It's supposed to be a jet fighter made of wood.
Ken
So called *blueprints* of the Horten 229 V3 plane.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-01.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-02.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-03.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-04.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-05.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-06.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-07.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-08.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/albums/album-09.html
Ken S. Tucker
2009-07-04 06:16:12 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Here's something coming up
you and guys may enjoy,http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighte...
It's supposed to be a jet fighter made of wood.
Ken
So called *blueprints* of the Horten 229 V3 plane.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/hitler-s-stealt...
The downloading of those images was slow for me,
I think the video memory is filled with wifes porn.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-07-04 16:57:04 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
The downloading of those images was slow for me,
I think the video memory is filled with wifes porn.
U speld mammary rong..........
Ken S. Tucker
2009-07-05 01:32:05 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
The downloading of those images was slow for me,
I think the video memory is filled with wifes porn.
U speld mammary rong..........
Well, you spelt dong rong!
Now she want's a wide screen monitor, don't know why.
Ken
Señior Popcorn-Coconut
2009-07-05 18:19:46 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
The downloading of those images was slow for me,
I think the video memory is filled with wifes porn.
U speld mammary rong..........
Well, you spelt dong rong!
Now she want's a wide screen monitor, don't know why.
Ken
Apparently, extra big or long dongs have pneumatic issues, so I doubt
it's for that.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-07-06 12:27:45 UTC
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Post by Señior Popcorn-Coconut
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
The downloading of those images was slow for me,
I think the video memory is filled with wifes porn.
U speld mammary rong..........
Well, you spelt dong rong!
Now she want's a wide screen monitor, don't know why.
Ken
Apparently, extra big or long dongs have pneumatic issues, so I doubt
it's for that.
Ok, but we're returning closer to the thread topic, cuz
most girls don't have dongs, but exceptions exist,
Loading Image...

I've been making a point of watching how women pee lately,
it's quite a study, I should write a book about it.
1) sit on toilet
2) squat
3) stand up and spread the labia's, but usually gals don't
like touching their private parts, for hygenic reasons,
and recently
4) a gal was over visiting and does a really nifty position,
it's hard to describe, she takes off her pants then facing
up, on her hands and feet with her ass off the ground,
spreads and squirts.
I asked why she pee's that way, and she said it's a matter
of personal preference. I suppose it's fun exercise.
Ken
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-07-07 19:25:42 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by Señior Popcorn-Coconut
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
The downloading of those images was slow for me,
I think the video memory is filled with wifes porn.
U speld mammary rong..........
Well, you spelt dong rong!
Now she want's a wide screen monitor, don't know why.
Ken
Apparently, extra big or long dongs have pneumatic issues, so I doubt
it's for that.
Ok, but we're returning closer to the thread topic, cuz
most girls don't have dongs, but exceptions exist,http://galleries.payserve.com/1/36748/23807/images/9.jpg
Oh dear.

I don't care for steak fat.
PatM
2009-07-07 17:15:39 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by RicodJour
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
An experiment you can do is to evaporate a volume of the
water to leave a residue. Slowly evaporating 1 meter^3
will leave 1 mm^3 at 1 part per billion and so forth.
As a brat, the family would do canning, everything was
well cooked and sealed in sterile glass jars, (and organic
foods are available, our son sells them).
They had a mass-production system, worked well.
Did you know honey is Bee poop? (or spit).
Post by RicodJour
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over.  All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life.  Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff.  That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
Dunno, accidently I once used wifes FDS as deoderant and now
I'm afraid I might turn gay.
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
I read drinking powdered gold is supposed to be good for ya.
Ken
Life on planet earth: nobody gets out alive.
Keep yer eye on your mailbox.
Ok:-). We're still looking for a seedy xmas card for yer
missus, the locals just buy the baby tomato plants from
a 'nursery'.
Makes sense, few people grow tomato's plants from seeds,
so now we're sourcing the seeds for the plants.
Ken
Last night I made a load of my legendary apple crisp with a big can of
sliced apples, generic store brand.
The inside of the can appeared to NOT be lined.
Took it to the garage and put the torch to it...ta-daaaa, no lining!
So some companies are still doing it the old way.
Yeah, seeds is where its at for cash crops, specially if they are
heirloom quality, with a proven track record.
Might even set up a 'lil ol' greenhouse.
Going to the PO today, have to fill out a customs form on you.
2 for ya'll and 2 for your friends/fambly.
We always get tomato plants coming up from last year's crop. This
year we are letting them grow. We want to see that we get. There
might be some interesting cross-pollinating going on.

Big problem with early blight in this area. Some people are blaming
Bonny. We don't have it and are keeping our fingers crossed.
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-07-07 19:30:21 UTC
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We always get tomato plants coming up from last year's crop.  This
year we are letting them grow.  We want to see that we get.  There
might be some interesting cross-pollinating going on.
The plants we had last year had to go because they were where my new
deck is now.
However the ones we do have now, in a different location, will be left
as is and maybe next year they'll resprout.
We have about 40 strawberry plants that were already here when we got
here and they keep providing fruit each year, but the dam raccoons get
them the day before they are ready to pick. Next year I'm gonna dust
them with habenaro powder early on. >:-)

creative1985@gmail.com
2009-06-29 18:13:58 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Anyway things like lead, mercury, asbestos, aluminum, benzene
are things that were considered safe, but now are regarded as
insidious poisons.
Yeah, that stuffs horrendously dangerous.
My father in law spent 80 years around those things and ya know what,
they finally won.
See, I told ya!
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-06-29 18:10:21 UTC
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Post by RicodJour
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by David "Doc" Leifheit
Post by RicodJour
You are either using words loosely and creating confusion, or you
yourself are confused.  Enamel usually refers to fused glass
(vitreous), or a paint with a similar sheen.  The first is an exact
description, the second a rather vague one.  Everyday cans are not
lined with fused glass in this day and age, and I tend to doubt that
"paint" (another loose term) was ever used, so I do not know what
exactly the enamel was on the packages you worked with back when.
The term used on the websites is a laquer finish.
Post by RicodJour
Cans are lined with plastic.  Check out some of Georgia Pacific's
http://www.gp.com/Chemical/indres_coat.asp?RC=1&BS=187|Coil/Food%
20Can%20Coatings|186|Coil/Food%20Can%20Coatings&DC=1|Industrial%20Resins
Post by RicodJour
Notice the words acrylic, polyester, vinyl. epoxy and phenolic.  These
are plastics as they all undergo polymerization.  That is the basic
definition of a plastic.  Some of them are thermoset and others are
thermoplastic, but they are all plastics, and that is what lines every
can you buy from the store.
Notice that when you read the data sheets, the items listed are approved
for use as coatings on paper containers and as the gasket on cans.  Not
the lining on the can, just the gasket area where the lid is seamed onto
the can.
The pallets and boxes were labelled "enamel" and we had to make certain
that the lids and cans were of the same coating.  I also had to work
with the quality control department to make sure that the stamped codes
on the cans were not cutting through or cracking the coating on the
inside of the lids.
http://www.steeluniversity.org/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=235
&pag
eid=2081272441
Lacquering
This is the application of an organic coating to create a barrier
between the steel and its contents (filling) and the external
environment (atmosphere). The flexibility of the exterior coating
depends on the type of can or component being manufactured. The interior
coating depends on the kind of product and processing environment. This
will influence the thickness of the coating too. Tinplate food and
beverage cans are internally lacquered to prevent chemical action
between the filling and the can wall and to prevent metal dissolution
into the filling. For dry contents (interior) and the exterior of cans,
tinplate provides sufficient protection and does not need lacquering.
For white fruits and sometimes tomato based fillings the can walls are
unlacquered to allow low level tin dissolution which preserves the
original color of the filling.
http://www.cancentral.com/hist_timeline.cfm
1921
Zinc oxide and other zinc compounds in an enamel lining were found to
prevent discoloration of canned corn by "corn black" or zinc sulphide.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again!"  Loose verbiage.
"The term lacquer originates from the Portuguese word for lac, a type
of resin excreted from certain insects.[1] Regardless, in modern
usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer
refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds
(VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved
in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing
butyl acetate and xylene or toluene."
Please note "other polymers" and acrylic.  The lining of cans is
plastic.  Just deal with it.
R
If you apply direct flame to a can lid the coating bubbles like a
plastic product.
Smokes like a petroleum product.
Regardless, the stuff leaches into the food and no good can come from
it.
I've tried the good stuff (Del Monte) and the store brand and it looks
like all cans are lined these days.
Further, you dump the contents in a tupperware and then throw it in
the microwave and 3 minutes later you have a DNA altering supper.
Nevermind the product itself is injected with soy derivatives,
fructose and an endless stream of chemicals, coloring, flavoring,
preservatives, etc.
Veritable accumulative timebombs.
Recently I read that your skin is the largest organ and a major
exposure to unnecessary chemicals comes during your daily shower and
the things you apply to yourself, shampoos, conditioners, body washes,
etc. as well as the stuff in the water itself.
I've eliminated most of that stuff and currently wash everything with
Ivory bar soap until I can get a handle on making my own soap from
natural stuff, but it looks like a major pain to do that. We have a
whole house RO and a 3 stage filtration system, but we are connected
to the county water and I've heard all kinds of horror stories about
that stuff - that no filtration system can deal with - discarded
medicines, urine estrogen, etc. Its like an onion, the more you peel
away the more you find.
- RO does filter out everything you need be concerned about -
essentially everything is filtered out.
- try Dr. Bonner's soap
- there is no such thing as a complete polymerization - there are
always monomers left over.  All monomers are carcinogens (then again,
life is a carcinogen - no dead animals get cancer)
- the stuff you apply in a shower isn't a big deal unless you don't
wash it out/off
- there are no guarantees in life.  Deal with the bigger stuff, and
don't sweat the small stuff.  That will keep you alive and healthy
longer than obsessing over health.
R
For me, that is big stuff.
Life in the woods....
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-27 16:31:06 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
LOL, Thank you for the "creative" imagery, I think I'll
skip breakfast.
IIRC, in the 50's and early 60's most people were comfortably
thin, and the fatties were snickered at.
Our guess is increased appliancization and fast-food.
As a kid our family ate out (or ordered in) about once a
week, and the rest was a fairly good well balanced diet,
and most did sports.
TV and then video games have become so much fun,
and fast-food so tasty and cheap, and constantly on
TV commercials, and most street corners, and then
the gov decided tobacco is bad and it's the perfect
storm for fat people all over the place.
I'll have a cigarette for breakfast.
Ken
Your welcome.
When I was a kid there was no fast food joints anywhere within 50
miles, this was in rural PA.
If I was helping my dad work on his houses we'd sometimes stop at
Everretts greasy spoon next to Bixlers hardware store if we'd run to
town to pick up nails in the barrel and such..
Everrett was an old dood, about 300lbs, wore the same nasty apron all
week and hovered over that grill all day long sweating all over them
hand pounded squishy grease burgers with a Chesterfield dangling from
his dry, cracked lips as he yelled an endless stream of dirty jokes
over his sloped shoulders.
Most people today eat wrong and don't move their asses enough, thus
there's oceans of grossly obese automatrons everywhere.
No wonder healthcare is in the shitter in the US.
Ken S. Tucker
2009-05-27 18:41:11 UTC
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Post by Ken S. Tucker
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Ken S. Tucker
Wife tells me modern fast-food restaurants are widening there
Mcstalls, we're trying to figure out why?
The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel, 8" wide
24" diameter toilet paper dispenser, all of the real estate is already
occupied.
No way a 300 lb waddling whale can get in there and if they do manage
to wedge their disgustingly flaccid cakes onto the porcelain they are
so pinched together its impossible for anything less than very loose
diarhea under extremely high pressure to escape with the expected jet-
like force lifting said patron entirely off the piss encrusted seat.
LOL, Thank you for the "creative" imagery, I think I'll
skip breakfast.
IIRC, in the 50's and early 60's most people were comfortably
thin, and the fatties were snickered at.
Our guess is increased appliancization and fast-food.
As a kid our family ate out (or ordered in) about once a
week, and the rest was a fairly good well balanced diet,
and most did sports.
TV and then video games have become so much fun,
and fast-food so tasty and cheap, and constantly on
TV commercials, and most street corners, and then
the gov decided tobacco is bad and it's the perfect
storm for fat people all over the place.
I'll have a cigarette for breakfast.
Ken
Your welcome.
When I was a kid there was no fast food joints anywhere within 50
miles, this was in rural PA.
If I was helping my dad work on his houses we'd sometimes stop at
Everretts greasy spoon next to Bixlers hardware store if we'd run to
town to pick up nails in the barrel and such..
Everrett was an old dood, about 300lbs, wore the same nasty apron all
week and hovered over that grill all day long sweating all over them
hand pounded squishy grease burgers with a Chesterfield dangling from
his dry, cracked lips as he yelled an endless stream of dirty jokes
over his sloped shoulders.
Most people today eat wrong and don't move their asses enough, thus
there's oceans of grossly obese automatrons everywhere.
No wonder healthcare is in the shitter in the US.
In the burbs, 50's-60's we had numerous fast-fooders.
My fave was my buddy Mark's, he was from China,
and had nice little fish & chip store with good coffee.
It was ~10' wide front x ~60' deep in an old mall.

The chairs we're those regular somewhat hard 50's
chairs, so hardly anyone ate in, lot's of take-out.
Wasn't long before I was doing homework there and
making the coffee, which I drank by the pot, 10 cents
a cup.
I once told him how I like scallops but couldn't afford
them, well he jumped up excitedly and says he can
get them for 60 cents/lb. sold! and they were Jumbo.
He was super clean, always bitching about roaches
that came in on the skids carrying in the Halibut,
which is all he would cook.

Mostly he spent his spare time playing horsey's
while I did science problems, so we were both kinda
quiet.
Ken
RicodJour
2009-05-25 14:31:24 UTC
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The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel,
The door would hit my knees before my bowels.

R
creative1985@gmail.com
2009-05-27 16:44:22 UTC
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The stalls are mainly unused by the average McD's patron - quite
simply - they don't fit.
In swing door that just barely passes the front of the bowel,
The door would hit my knees before my bowels.
R
Thats cause you're sittin on the shitter backwards!
Makes it easier to kick the flush handle.

Speaking of shitters.
I've had em all in the past, Kohler, Briggs, American Standard, etc.
and became increasingly disatisfied with them over the years.
I took a tour of a Kohler factory in Torrance, CA one time and they
showed all the ways they test shitters in their R&D dept and the one
thing thats lacking is human involvement. They don't flush shit, let
alone all the varieties of it. Appalling! They flush ping pong balls,
peat moss, blown insulation and sorts of other stuff.
Anyway, shitters of today have been mainly nazi-ized and look better
than they function in most instances.
I longed for a shitter like we had in my old 1917 jr high school - you
know the ones I'm talking about.
Last year when I rebuilt our masterbath I didn't want to spend $300
for a matching Kohler shitter and Lowes had a generic named version
that looked nice - had that built-in galley rail thing around the back
of top of the lid, fluted base, etc. and it was only $99. complete-all
in one box (heavy), plus the seat and hookups and wax ring, so I
bought it fully expecting to be disappointed.
WOW!
Now, the plunger has been relegated to the laundry room because it
won't be needed anymore.
If you are sitting on this thing when you flush you will certainly
grow an inch or more if you know what I mean.
It sounds like an F14 taking off and the bowl is crystal when its
done.
I look forward to my sessions in the small room in the morning now.
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